Comments on: We May As Well Be Watching The London Masters [opinion] http://westhamprocess.FootballUNITED.com/2008/06/30/we-may-as-well-be-watching-the-london-masters-opinion/ Musings in Claret and Blue Fri, 18 Mar 2011 22:24:45 +0000 hourly 1 http://golbox.com?v=3.2.1 By: The Future’s Claret And Blue [OPINION] | The West Ham Process http://westhamprocess.FootballUNITED.com/2008/06/30/we-may-as-well-be-watching-the-london-masters-opinion/#comment-2756 The Future’s Claret And Blue [OPINION] | The West Ham Process Sat, 05 Jul 2008 16:15:54 +0000 http://clubscenechurch.com/westham/?p=81#comment-2756 [...] we managed to survive and even a top ten finish. It’s quite a different tune i am singing to last week, but notes of hope now, with Anton now pledging his future to the Hammers, ignoring teams like [...] [...] we managed to survive and even a top ten finish. It’s quite a different tune i am singing to last week, but notes of hope now, with Anton now pledging his future to the Hammers, ignoring teams like [...]

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]]> By: Plastic http://westhamprocess.FootballUNITED.com/2008/06/30/we-may-as-well-be-watching-the-london-masters-opinion/#comment-2755 Plastic Fri, 04 Jul 2008 13:09:31 +0000 http://clubscenechurch.com/westham/?p=81#comment-2755 To hammer on the beach... I definitely agree with you that the atmosphere has changed for the worse at UP in the past ten years or so but I'd say that's now typical of most PL clubs. Don't think that it means that fans are plastic though, just different to those in the 'good ol days' that we all hear so much about! In terms of loyalty, I think that even the 'great' fans of the 70's and 80's would be quiet or moaning watching the cr*p we had to it through last season. Curb's tactics where woeful and in the main negative and to be honest, based on his effort levels Deano needed a kick up the a*se from the fans not blind loyalty and undying support. For a good run of games he looked like he simply could not be bothered. If my idol Paolo Di Canio had played with that attitude I wouldn't have cheered him either! And the fans do sing, think you're being harsh basing your judgements on one game in past 20 odd years. To hammer on the beach…

I definitely agree with you that the atmosphere has changed for the worse at UP in the past ten years or so but I’d say that’s now typical of most PL clubs. Don’t think that it means that fans are plastic though, just different to those in the ‘good ol days’ that we all hear so much about!

In terms of loyalty, I think that even the ‘great’ fans of the 70′s and 80′s would be quiet or moaning watching the cr*p we had to it through last season.

Curb’s tactics where woeful and in the main negative and to be honest, based on his effort levels Deano needed a kick up the a*se from the fans not blind loyalty and undying support. For a good run of games he looked like he simply could not be bothered. If my idol Paolo Di Canio had played with that attitude I wouldn’t have cheered him either!

And the fans do sing, think you’re being harsh basing your judgements on one game in past 20 odd years.

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]]> By: davewhu http://westhamprocess.FootballUNITED.com/2008/06/30/we-may-as-well-be-watching-the-london-masters-opinion/#comment-2754 davewhu Tue, 01 Jul 2008 12:59:41 +0000 http://clubscenechurch.com/westham/?p=81#comment-2754 curbishley is about as exciting as roeder was!!! what we need is a manager with passion for the club ie a certain italian who has stated he would love to manager us!!!! could you imagine 2-0 with 10 minutes to play the passion paulo would give, curbs done ok to keep us up and get mid table last season but we dont want to be charlton mark 2!!!! curbishley is about as exciting as roeder was!!!
what we need is a manager with passion for the club ie a certain italian who has stated he would love to manager us!!!! could you imagine 2-0 with 10 minutes to play the passion paulo would give, curbs done ok to keep us up and get mid table last season but we dont want to be charlton mark 2!!!!

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]]> By: Hammer on the Beach http://westhamprocess.FootballUNITED.com/2008/06/30/we-may-as-well-be-watching-the-london-masters-opinion/#comment-2753 Hammer on the Beach Tue, 01 Jul 2008 10:52:58 +0000 http://clubscenechurch.com/westham/?p=81#comment-2753 Hmmmm, Plastic fans????? Well, having been a regular at UP from the mid 70's till 87 then emigrating all I can say is one thing. I came back to blighty in March and was lucky enough to see the Blackburn game (God love you Sears), however, I did note the following: 1. No support for the manager (West hams Claret & Blue Army) 2. No support for dean Ashton ( untill he scored) 3. No f**k**g loyalty! (What west Ham is about) and finally, the thing that really really got my goat, NO ONES sings unless that w**k of a DJ starts bubbles! FFS, what happened? and start about all seat stadia. Enough from a tired old man who remembers all those great away days (Castilla included) where we supported OUR team. and didn't need a total T**T tolead the singing. COYI Hmmmm,

Plastic fans?????

Well, having been a regular at UP from the mid 70′s till 87 then emigrating all I can say is one thing. I came back to blighty in March and was lucky enough to see the Blackburn game (God love you Sears), however, I did note the following:

1. No support for the manager (West hams Claret & Blue Army)
2. No support for dean Ashton ( untill he scored)
3. No f**k**g loyalty! (What west Ham is about)

and finally, the thing that really really got my goat, NO ONES sings unless that w**k of a DJ starts bubbles!

FFS, what happened? and start about all seat stadia.

Enough from a tired old man who remembers all those great away days (Castilla included) where we supported OUR team. and didn’t need a total T**T tolead the singing.

COYI

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]]> By: sam.whtnt http://westhamprocess.FootballUNITED.com/2008/06/30/we-may-as-well-be-watching-the-london-masters-opinion/#comment-2752 sam.whtnt Tue, 01 Jul 2008 10:51:29 +0000 http://clubscenechurch.com/westham/?p=81#comment-2752 Great point PC Great point PC

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]]> By: PC http://westhamprocess.FootballUNITED.com/2008/06/30/we-may-as-well-be-watching-the-london-masters-opinion/#comment-2751 PC Tue, 01 Jul 2008 10:34:01 +0000 http://clubscenechurch.com/westham/?p=81#comment-2751 Firstly - Tim... There is everthing wrong with the statement that 'West Ham are a selling club'. It may be true but its certainly nothing we as fans should be willing to accept on an ongoing basis. Why should it be? Sport is about entertainment and the constant strive for improvement. In the past ten years WH have probably developed more of todays top english players than most other clubs (barring the Beckham generation at Man U). You only have to look at the England squad or the teams at this year's CL final for the evidence. If we'd managed to hold on to even half of those players we'd have a far better team today and in turn, the next generation coming through would be less inclined to look elsewhere or be attracted by the 'bigger' clubs and BTW I'll accept that there are plenty of clubs bigger than WH but I'd hardly use AV as a good example. They're not that much bigger than us. And now to Mack, making statements like "we knew we were crap, but we accepted it." doesn't inspire me with confidence in your level of ambition for our club. Equally, I (or anyone else on this blog) never mentioned expecting a £20mil signing every day, let alone one £20mil signing. I do however believe that for the first time in a long time we have a good owner and management team, one that can enable us to compete financially in the PL. We may not have the richest billionaire but he can certainly provide more hope than Brown, The Warners or The Cearns ever could. We as fans should thrive on that hope. I certainly do. Why shouldn't we be ambitious? Why Shouldn't we want to keep our best young players? Why shouldn't we try and move on from being a selling club? because that's what sport is all about, that and entertainment. Without it we might as well all give up supporting now and go shoppig with the wives. No one expects us to win the league or get in the CL but for you say that we shouldn't voice our criticism is way off the mark for me. Do you really feel that WH can attract plastic fans? What have we got to offer them?? We never win anything. And do you really believe that back in the good ol days players never got booed if they were crap? Steve Potts, George Parris and Iain Dowie got bad treatment from the crowds for years... Firstly – Tim… There is everthing wrong with the statement that ‘West Ham are a selling club’. It may be true but its certainly nothing we as fans should be willing to accept on an ongoing basis. Why should it be?

Sport is about entertainment and the constant strive for improvement. In the past ten years WH have probably developed more of todays top english players than most other clubs (barring the Beckham generation at Man U). You only have to look at the England squad or the teams at this year’s CL final for the evidence.

If we’d managed to hold on to even half of those players we’d have a far better team today and in turn, the next generation coming through would be less inclined to look elsewhere or be attracted by the ‘bigger’ clubs and BTW I’ll accept that there are plenty of clubs bigger than WH but I’d hardly use AV as a good example. They’re not that much bigger than us.

And now to Mack, making statements like “we knew we were crap, but we accepted it.” doesn’t inspire me with confidence in your level of ambition for our club. Equally, I (or anyone else on this blog) never mentioned expecting a £20mil signing every day, let alone one £20mil signing.

I do however believe that for the first time in a long time we have a good owner and management team, one that can enable us to compete financially in the PL. We may not have the richest billionaire but he can certainly provide more hope than Brown, The Warners or The Cearns ever could. We as fans should thrive on that hope. I certainly do.

Why shouldn’t we be ambitious? Why Shouldn’t we want to keep our best young players? Why shouldn’t we try and move on from being a selling club? because that’s what sport is all about, that and entertainment. Without it we might as well all give up supporting now and go shoppig with the wives.

No one expects us to win the league or get in the CL but for you say that we shouldn’t voice our criticism is way off the mark for me. Do you really feel that WH can attract plastic fans? What have we got to offer them?? We never win anything. And do you really believe that back in the good ol days players never got booed if they were crap? Steve Potts, George Parris and Iain Dowie got bad treatment from the crowds for years…

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]]> By: Johno http://westhamprocess.FootballUNITED.com/2008/06/30/we-may-as-well-be-watching-the-london-masters-opinion/#comment-2750 Johno Tue, 01 Jul 2008 10:32:17 +0000 http://clubscenechurch.com/westham/?p=81#comment-2750 Ferdinand will go because Curbishly is a prat.....watch us deteriorate next season and remember I told you......(didn't you just hate BB's Alex?!!) Ferdinand will go because Curbishly is a prat…..watch us deteriorate next season and remember I told you……(didn’t you just hate BB’s Alex?!!)

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]]> By: davewhu http://westhamprocess.FootballUNITED.com/2008/06/30/we-may-as-well-be-watching-the-london-masters-opinion/#comment-2749 davewhu Tue, 01 Jul 2008 08:48:17 +0000 http://clubscenechurch.com/westham/?p=81#comment-2749 I say take the £10 million he hasnt done it for us for a while now and look how well harewood has done at villa?? we have a lot of central defenders with tompkins looking class,upson should be ready, gabbidon back, collins with bellamy,dyer bowyer all coming back and also freddie up and comin its looking good!! I say take the £10 million he hasnt done it for us for a while now and look how well harewood has done at villa??
we have a lot of central defenders with tompkins looking class,upson should be ready, gabbidon back, collins
with bellamy,dyer bowyer all coming back and also freddie up and comin its looking good!!

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]]> By: Mack http://westhamprocess.FootballUNITED.com/2008/06/30/we-may-as-well-be-watching-the-london-masters-opinion/#comment-2748 Mack Tue, 01 Jul 2008 06:41:03 +0000 http://clubscenechurch.com/westham/?p=81#comment-2748 Where are the plastic fans you say? They're the ones who have been sitting in silence all season, only making noise to boo our own players. There are too many of them at Upton Park nowdays. Also, I know the exitement of football wasn't great last season, but 10th is one of our highest Premier League finishes. I don't see why people are so unhappy about it? Yes, everybody wants success, me included. But don't let that come in the way of what's important about West Ham. Billionaire owners are 10 a penny nowdays, and ours is nowhere near the richest of them. Where are the plastic fans you say? They’re the ones who have been sitting in silence all season, only making noise to boo our own players. There are too many of them at Upton Park nowdays.

Also, I know the exitement of football wasn’t great last season, but 10th is one of our highest Premier League finishes. I don’t see why people are so unhappy about it?

Yes, everybody wants success, me included. But don’t let that come in the way of what’s important about West Ham. Billionaire owners are 10 a penny nowdays, and ours is nowhere near the richest of them.

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]]> By: Sam H http://westhamprocess.FootballUNITED.com/2008/06/30/we-may-as-well-be-watching-the-london-masters-opinion/#comment-2747 Sam H Mon, 30 Jun 2008 22:11:13 +0000 http://clubscenechurch.com/westham/?p=81#comment-2747 @<a href="#comment-127" rel="nofollow">Mack</a>: Can't say I have ever consistently thought (and accepted) that we are a crap team. It is true that we expect big things from our club...but let's be honest we have also often been promised big things too. At the end of the day, we reserve the right to demand big things from our club (within reason)...being that we pay to see them week in week out. Expecting big things though doesn't always mean wanting £20m in C&B....it just means (in my opinion) preserving what West Ham are about, and then running with that. For example, investing in younger talent. Making sure that youth players are continually brought through the ranks. Seeing a good crop of English players. In those areas we can expect big things...and I think that would bring a lot of happy faces to Upton Park. And, if I may dare to say, success?! Sam @Mack: Can’t say I have ever consistently thought (and accepted) that we are a crap team.

It is true that we expect big things from our club…but let’s be honest we have also often been promised big things too.

At the end of the day, we reserve the right to demand big things from our club (within reason)…being that we pay to see them week in week out.

Expecting big things though doesn’t always mean wanting £20m in C&B….it just means (in my opinion) preserving what West Ham are about, and then running with that.

For example, investing in younger talent. Making sure that youth players are continually brought through the ranks. Seeing a good crop of English players. In those areas we can expect big things…and I think that would bring a lot of happy faces to Upton Park.

And, if I may dare to say, success?!

Sam

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