Comments on: So Far, So Wrong [POLL] http://westhamprocess.FootballUNITED.com/2008/07/14/so-far-so-wrong-poll/ Musings in Claret and Blue Fri, 18 Mar 2011 22:24:45 +0000 hourly 1 http://golbox.com?v=3.2.1 By: [POLL RESULTS]: Sell Both? | The West Ham Process http://westhamprocess.FootballUNITED.com/2008/07/14/so-far-so-wrong-poll/#comment-2864 [POLL RESULTS]: Sell Both? | The West Ham Process Tue, 15 Jul 2008 11:59:24 +0000 http://clubscenechurch.com/westham/?p=96#comment-2864 [...] Sam H: @ Tom, I did point out that I am not a boo boy. I may also like to point out that I do have a season ticket... [...] [...] Sam H: @ Tom, I did point out that I am not a boo boy. I may also like to point out that I do have a season ticket… [...]

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]]> By: Sam H http://westhamprocess.FootballUNITED.com/2008/07/14/so-far-so-wrong-poll/#comment-2863 Sam H Mon, 14 Jul 2008 17:54:03 +0000 http://clubscenechurch.com/westham/?p=96#comment-2863 @ Tom, I did point out that I am not a boo boy. I may also like to point out that I do have a season ticket and am therefore completely within my right to make my feelings known about players. This post was not written to be a dig about Cole, it was written almost as a defence for Zamora...and the poll results do show that if people had to sell Cole or Zamora, it would definitely be Zamora. So i'm not on my own in feeling the way I do about Cole. I'm not trying to take away the effort he put in at times, but he is not claret and blue through and through. He even said when he signed that he "is using west ham as a stepping stone for bigger things". I'm pretty sure that Zamora isn't arrogant enough to think he can use our club for bigger things, he pulls on the shirt each week because he loves to play for us. That is why I think we should keep him. @ Tom, I did point out that I am not a boo boy. I may also like to point out that I do have a season ticket and am therefore completely within my right to make my feelings known about players.

This post was not written to be a dig about Cole, it was written almost as a defence for Zamora…and the poll results do show that if people had to sell Cole or Zamora, it would definitely be Zamora. So i’m not on my own in feeling the way I do about Cole.

I’m not trying to take away the effort he put in at times, but he is not claret and blue through and through. He even said when he signed that he “is using west ham as a stepping stone for bigger things”.

I’m pretty sure that Zamora isn’t arrogant enough to think he can use our club for bigger things, he pulls on the shirt each week because he loves to play for us. That is why I think we should keep him.

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]]> By: Hollis http://westhamprocess.FootballUNITED.com/2008/07/14/so-far-so-wrong-poll/#comment-2862 Hollis Mon, 14 Jul 2008 16:00:50 +0000 http://clubscenechurch.com/westham/?p=96#comment-2862 Hate to see Zamora go, but he really does deserve to play every game he is fit for. If we can't give it to him I'm happy to thank him for all he's acheived and let him get that regular playing time. Hate to see Zamora go, but he really does deserve to play every game he is fit for. If we can’t give it to him I’m happy to thank him for all he’s acheived and let him get that regular playing time.

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]]> By: ADAM http://westhamprocess.FootballUNITED.com/2008/07/14/so-far-so-wrong-poll/#comment-2861 ADAM Mon, 14 Jul 2008 14:20:09 +0000 http://clubscenechurch.com/westham/?p=96#comment-2861 that was my post on zamora mate ;) that was my post on zamora mate ;)

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]]> By: Laurence http://westhamprocess.FootballUNITED.com/2008/07/14/so-far-so-wrong-poll/#comment-2860 Laurence Mon, 14 Jul 2008 12:49:51 +0000 http://clubscenechurch.com/westham/?p=96#comment-2860 Sam: I think you may have hit the nail on the head. The Blades/Hammers case may not be that cut and dried. The peace making between the new Chairman/Kia/Brown and the recent news that the tribunal that started in June initially stated that the clubs need not announce the results until August, and now we are told not until September is cause for some anxiety. The High Courts, hearing the same case didn't take that long. On the other hand a more positive view is that the players back from injury, particularly - Bellamy, Dyer, Faubert and a return of Ashton to form could preclude the need for any major signings. Nontheless, neither of the above will hide the weaknesses we have, particularly in midfield and in width. It may just be that the Hammers management have invoked a media blackout as best they can. Over the past two years West Ham has been wonderful fodder for the press. It would be great if we could come out with an August surprise - like we did with Tevez and Mascherino two years ago. Only this time without the residual damage that trailed along afterward. If this is true and with the new Football Director and the rehabilitation of Kia this kind of surprise is a distinct possibility. My gut suggests that it the reason for the perceived inaction is a combination of all three of the above. Sam:
I think you may have hit the nail on the head. The Blades/Hammers case may not be that cut and dried. The peace making between the new Chairman/Kia/Brown and the recent news that the tribunal that started in June initially stated that the clubs need not announce the results until August, and now we are told not until September is cause for some anxiety. The High Courts, hearing the same case didn’t take that long.

On the other hand a more positive view is that the players back from injury, particularly – Bellamy, Dyer, Faubert and a return of Ashton to form could preclude the need for any major signings.

Nontheless, neither of the above will hide the weaknesses we have, particularly in midfield and in width. It may just be that the Hammers management have invoked a media blackout as best they can.
Over the past two years West Ham has been wonderful fodder for the press. It would be great if we could come out with an August surprise – like we did with Tevez and Mascherino two years ago. Only this time without the residual damage that trailed along afterward. If this is true and with the new Football Director and the rehabilitation of Kia this kind of surprise is a distinct possibility.

My gut suggests that it the reason for the perceived inaction is a combination of all three of the above.

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]]> By: bloody Limey http://westhamprocess.FootballUNITED.com/2008/07/14/so-far-so-wrong-poll/#comment-2859 bloody Limey Mon, 14 Jul 2008 11:34:13 +0000 http://clubscenechurch.com/westham/?p=96#comment-2859 I think it comes down to finance and tactics. Cole is more suitable for playing one up front, which is a favoured tactic of Curbs (particularly away from home) plus his age gives him a better upside than Zamora, who is pretty much the finished article. Secondly, Fulham appear to have made a reasonable offer for Bobby, whilst some have suggested it is a handsome offer, when you look at the current fees being thrown around for untried and unknown players, £5 - 6 Mil isn't over the top for a proven prem player. However, how much would you get for Carlton Cole? It appears Curbs (Or perhaps Nani) have got something in the pipeline to replace him, perhaps Gudjohnson? Which I think would be an upgrade over Bobby. I am all in favour of keeping home supporting talent and the genuine loyalty he's shown, should be cherished and not forgotten. I think it comes down to finance and tactics.

Cole is more suitable for playing one up front, which is a favoured tactic of Curbs (particularly away from home) plus his age gives him a better upside than Zamora, who is pretty much the finished article.

Secondly, Fulham appear to have made a reasonable offer for Bobby, whilst some have suggested it is a handsome offer, when you look at the current fees being thrown around for untried and unknown players, £5 – 6 Mil isn’t over the top for a proven prem player.

However, how much would you get for Carlton Cole?

It appears Curbs (Or perhaps Nani) have got something in the pipeline to replace him, perhaps Gudjohnson? Which I think would be an upgrade over Bobby.

I am all in favour of keeping home supporting talent and the genuine loyalty he’s shown, should be cherished and not forgotten.

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]]> By: Tom http://westhamprocess.FootballUNITED.com/2008/07/14/so-far-so-wrong-poll/#comment-2858 Tom Mon, 14 Jul 2008 11:32:03 +0000 http://clubscenechurch.com/westham/?p=96#comment-2858 Are you really that fickle? I dont disagree that Cole doesn't have the necessary quality in finishing to really warrant a place in the team, maybe the squad. However, to call what he did last season 'sometimes appalling performances' is wrong. He did fantastically well for a large part of the season, at one stage having more assists more than any other person in the league. Just wondered how many games you went to and if all, then how blinkered you my be by the shockingly dull end to the season. Stop the Cole bashing, its unnecessary, and not justified. Are you really that fickle?
I dont disagree that Cole doesn’t have the necessary quality in finishing to really warrant a place in the team, maybe the squad. However, to call what he did last season ‘sometimes appalling performances’ is wrong. He did fantastically well for a large part of the season, at one stage having more assists more than any other person in the league. Just wondered how many games you went to and if all, then how blinkered you my be by the shockingly dull end to the season. Stop the Cole bashing, its unnecessary, and not justified.

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]]> By: steve http://westhamprocess.FootballUNITED.com/2008/07/14/so-far-so-wrong-poll/#comment-2857 steve Mon, 14 Jul 2008 11:06:42 +0000 http://clubscenechurch.com/westham/?p=96#comment-2857 Zampora is average............Cole leads the line better. No big deal.......£6m is an amazing fee to get for him. Take it and run. Zampora is average…………Cole leads the line better. No big deal…….£6m is an amazing fee to get for him. Take it and run.

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